'Report and Proceedings of a Sub-Committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence on the Baghdad Railway, Southern Persia, and the Persian Gulf' [16v] (37/332)
The record is made up of 1 volume (162 folios). It was created in Feb 1909. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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* Appendix 2.
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First Meeting, 2nd March, 1908.
. Sr f. E * . Grey : We should not mind especially about that. The Turks have
claimed it nineteen times; but in 1871 they said they had no intention whatever of
obtaining supremacy over Bahrein.
Mr. Morley : But that is not the same thing as acquiescence in our supremacy.
Mr. Lloyd-George : If the man on the spot agrees that you can act as his deputy
it should be all right.
Mr. Morley : The Sheikh, you mean.
Mr Lloyd-George : Yes. If he parts with his jurisdiction to the Representative
of the Indian Government, I think we can say : “ It is none of your business.”
Sir E. Grey : I do not think we should take any steps about this.
General Nicholson : \Ye should not admit that he parted with it, because that
would laise an international question, lie would say : “ I delegated all my powers.”
Mr. Lloyd-George : les ; we could exercise jurisdiction on his behalf.
Si r L. Grey : It is not a thing that the r I urk would take any trouble about, and
as to protests, he protests against everything. Me have exercised Consular jurisdiction
over the Bahreinese in L urkey, and he has recognized that apparently.
Sir C. Hardinge : Yes, he has.
Sir E. Grey : We have always done it.
Mr. Morley : I am only thinking that we must look forward to a time when a
pretty stiff controversy may arise about the Gulf, in all its aspects, between us and
perhaps two great European Powers, certainly one, when every point that can be made
against us will undoubtedly be made.
Sir E. Grey : I he point with Germany would be, of course, whether this Treaty
of 18b0, or the previous Treaty with the Sheikh, means really a Protectorate, or whether
it does not.
. ^ R - Morley : I only meant that we have got to be prepared for all the points
being taken.
. Sm E - Grey : As we have got a Treaty with the Sheikh which prevents him
having any correspondence whatever with the German Government without our
consent, I think that is quite enough ground for us to say to the Germans that any
correspondence they want to have with Bahrein must go through us.
Mr. Morley : I was thinking of the German operating on behalf of the Turk.
The Turk says he has always had a sort of status, and he might have—and to-day very
likely would have Germany at his back ; so that this wretched Bahrein, in that case,
w T ould bring us very close to serious international questions. That is only one of the
many effects of the Baghdad Railway.
Lord Esher : Do we rely on the Treaty of 1880 only, or on the Treaty of
1861 as well?
Sir R. Ritchie : M e rely on them all, but the Treaty of 1880 is the most explicit.
77. Lord Esher : Do you think that we should exercise wider judicial powers
under the Treaty of 1861 than we do actually exercise—I am referring to p. 146. #
Sir R. Ritchie : It would be regularising those important judicial powers.
General Nicholson : The functions of the court are given on p. 144.*
78. Lord Esher : Under the Treaty of 1861 do you think he could exercise wider
judicial powers than he actually has exercised ?
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The volume contains the following minutes and proceedings:
- First Meeting, 2 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Richmond Thackeray Willoughby Ritchie.
- Second Meeting, 6 March 1908. Evidence of Sir J Mackay.
- Third Meeting, 11 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Frank Clark Strick and Mr E Lloyd.
- Fourth Meeting, 17 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Louis William Dane.
- Fifth Meeting, 19 March 1908. Evidence of Mr P Thomas and Mr G Lloyd.
- Sixth Meeting, 25 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Henry Finnis Blosse Lynch, and Major J A Douglas.
- Seventh Meeting, 30 March 1908. Evidence of Sir William Lee-Warner, and Colonel Charles Edward Yate.
- Digest of Evidence in Order of Witnesses.
- Digest of Evidence by Subjects.
Appendices:
- Appendix 1. Terms of Reference.
- Appendix 2. Memorandum respecting British Interests in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Foreign Office, Confidential (9161).
- Appendix 3. Supplementary Memorandum respecting British Interests in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Foreign Office, Confidential (9404).
- Appendix 4. Lights and Buoys required at Ports in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Statement by the Director of Naval Intelligence.
- Appendix 5. The Provision of Wireless Telegraph Stations in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Statement by the Director of Naval Intelligence.
- Appendix 6. The Cost of the Proposed Lighthouses at Ras Musandim.
- Appendix 7. Trade and Shipping in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Memorandum by the Director of Naval Intelligence.
- Appendix 8. Memorandum on the Position of British Trade in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Prepared in the Board of Trade.
- Appendix 9. Memorandum by Mr H F B Lynch, MP.
- Appendix 10. The Nushi-Seistan Railway Project. The Bunder-Dilam-Shiraz Railway Project. Extracts from a report by Lieutenant L E Hopkins.
- Appendix 11. Memorandum handed to M Isvolsky, 14 October 1908.
- Appendix 12. British and German Shipping in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Memorandum prepared in the Board of Trade.
Maps:
- Folio 76. Sketch to illustrate positions of Flagstaffs at Elphinstone Inlet and Sheep Island (Musandim Peninsula).
- Folio 87. Sketches of Approaches to Kuweit Harbour and Shatt Al Arab, compiled from various authorities.
- Folio 118v. Map of Mohammerah and district prepared in 1850. Shows the proposed Turkish, Persian and mediating Commissioners' lines.
- Folio 152. Sketch Maps to Shew Railways in Asia Minor.
- Folio 153. Map showing the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. and adjacent countries.
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- 1 volume (162 folios)
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A table of contents can be found at folio 4. An index to the minutes of evidence and appendices can be found at folios 154-162.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 164; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. Pagination: the volume also contains an original printed pagination sequence (xi, 297pp, 5 maps).
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