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'Report and Proceedings of a Sub-Committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence on the Baghdad Railway, Southern Persia, and the Persian Gulf' [‎21v] (47/332)

The record is made up of 1 volume (162 folios). It was created in Feb 1909. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .

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First Meeting, 2nd March, 1908.
Sir E. Grey : les, I think it is really subsidiary to that.
Mr. Lloyd-George : How are we to ascertain in the meantime what subsidy will
put this thing through ?
. Sir E. Grey : I thought we might have the help of the Board of Trade. We
might possibly see Mr. Strick again. Then Mr. Eloyd has been doing very well. The
best plan would be for your people at the Board of Trade to see Mr. Lloyd and to
find out.
Mr. Lloyd-George : Mr. Llewellyn Smith can do that.
Sir C. Hardinge : Mr. Wilson Fox has been in correspondence with Mr. Lloyd.
Mr. Lloyd-George : He will do it very well.
Str L. Grey: Yes; he can see Mr. Lloyd and ascertain how much is wanted to
stave off this thing for another couple of years. That is the thing to do I think.
Mr. Lloyd-George : The first thing to find out seems to be to know what the
amount is.
Sir E, Grey : I think we had better give a little time for that.
Mr. Lloyd-George : A\ hat about the Post Office? There is a lot of mischief in
a direct subsidy. Ion will be provoking America, and you will be provoking
Germany if you give subsidies. Could it be put in the form of a Post Office subsidy
for mails ? It is really rather important.
Mr. Morley : First of all we have got to establish the question of principle.
Mr. Lloyd-George : I agree; but there are other questions which are accessories.
Mr. Morley : I think we might assume that, if we decide in favour of the
question of principle, the Post Office will be willing to lend themselves to whatever
indirect methods we desire.
Sir E. Grey : We have really got a problem which has never been considered
before. It was always Russia before ; it is now Germany and the Baghdad Railway.
General Nicholson : Do you want to prevent any termination at all of the
Baghdad Railway ?
Sir E. Grey : No ; but we do not want them to make the Baghdad Railway
without our being in it. We have agreed that it is not a thing which can be
indefinitely blocked, therefore it is a thing which we want to go into ; and the stronger
our position the better terms we can get for coming in.
Mr. Morley : We thought originally of having Sir James Mackay on the
Committee, and I think we might have him as a witness next time. He is extremely
well posted in all Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. affairs. You have seen him on some occasion
Sir Charles, I think ?
Sir C. Hardinge: Yes.
Mr. Morley : Do you think it would be very desirable to have him as a witness ?
Sir C. Hardinge : Yes ; because he knows the thing so well.
Mr. Morley : If the Committee allow it I will ask him to come. I shall be seeing
him to-morrow.
[Adjourned.]

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Content

The volume contains the following minutes and proceedings:

  • First Meeting, 2 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Richmond Thackeray Willoughby Ritchie.
  • Second Meeting, 6 March 1908. Evidence of Sir J Mackay.
  • Third Meeting, 11 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Frank Clark Strick and Mr E Lloyd.
  • Fourth Meeting, 17 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Louis William Dane.
  • Fifth Meeting, 19 March 1908. Evidence of Mr P Thomas and Mr G Lloyd.
  • Sixth Meeting, 25 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Henry Finnis Blosse Lynch, and Major J A Douglas.
  • Seventh Meeting, 30 March 1908. Evidence of Sir William Lee-Warner, and Colonel Charles Edward Yate.
  • Digest of Evidence in Order of Witnesses.
  • Digest of Evidence by Subjects.

Appendices:

Maps:

  • Folio 76. Sketch to illustrate positions of Flagstaffs at Elphinstone Inlet and Sheep Island (Musandim Peninsula).
  • Folio 87. Sketches of Approaches to Kuweit Harbour and Shatt Al Arab, compiled from various authorities.
  • Folio 118v. Map of Mohammerah and district prepared in 1850. Shows the proposed Turkish, Persian and mediating Commissioners' lines.
  • Folio 152. Sketch Maps to Shew Railways in Asia Minor.
  • Folio 153. Map showing the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. and adjacent countries.
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1 volume (162 folios)
Arrangement

A table of contents can be found at folio 4. An index to the minutes of evidence and appendices can be found at folios 154-162.

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Foliation: the foliation sequence commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 164; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. Pagination: the volume also contains an original printed pagination sequence (xi, 297pp, 5 maps).

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