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'Report and Proceedings of a Sub-Committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence on the Baghdad Railway, Southern Persia, and the Persian Gulf' [‎27r] (58/332)

The record is made up of 1 volume (162 folios). It was created in Feb 1909. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .

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Evidence of Sir J. Mackay.
37
I cannot believe for a moment that Herr Ballin proposes to make what yon call a
combine between the Hamburg-Amerika Line and these three, after all, very small,
unimportant concerns—Strick, and Bucknall, and the West Hartlepool. The West
Hartlepool have paid no dividend this last year; in fact, they passed their preference
dividends. I do not think they are making any money in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , and, as
you say, Bucknalls are doing no good. I think you want really to get a plain and
true statement of what Herr Ballin’s proposals to Strick are before you decide what to
make up your mind to do.
231. Mr. Morley : Whether it is a proposal to play the Siamese waters game
over again, or whether it is an honest proposal to internationalize on fair terms the
trade of the Gulf ?—My impression is that it is this: “ Let us bury the hatchet and
come to an agreement to charge certain rates of freight outwards and homewards, and
not try to take the traffic from each other.” I think you will find that is the proposal.
232. Sir E. Grey : There is one question which arises out of Mr. Lloyd-George’s
figures about the increase of the trade in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Apart from what it may
be at the present moment, I suppose the increase will be enormous if Mesopotamia has
a railway made through it and irrigation takes place ?-—Undoubtedly.
233. Mesopotamia is one of the greatest commercial prospects at present
undeveloped in the world that there is ?—Undoubtedly. I think there will be a
tremendous increase in trade there when the railway is made.
234. So the mere question of what the trade is now is a comparatively small
consideration compared with the future prospects?—Quite so. There is very little
room for development there until the railway is made, I think.
235. Is there a case for a postal subsidy to British ships going into the Persian
Gulf?—From here ?
236. Yes ?—I am afraid not. .
237. If instead of a subsidy it is to be for services rendered, what services
rendered can you suggest ?—I do not know. You get the mail out to Bombay in
fourteen days from London by the P. and 0., the British India steamer is waiting with
steam up to take it up the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , and it reaches Basra in five days thereafter, so
you get the mail up there in nineteen days. A steamer would not be through the
Suez Canal in that time.
238. I suppose the British India would not complain if a subsidy was given to
Messrs. Strick ?—No, certainly not. I should be delighted, because if you can only
establish that we shall ask you to give us a subsidy to run out to British East Africa.
Sir E. Grey : There you are. That is the worst form of complaint that you
can make.
Mr. Lloyd-George : I think that is a much better case.
239. General Ewart : Would a combine of that character be likely to lead up
to a transfer to the German flag ?—I do not see why it should not, if they get good
enough terms. We should be delighted to sell some of our old ships to the Germans.
But you see that would not give them a monopoly of the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , although they
bought Strick’s ships.
240. Mr. Lloyd-George: Would it not?—No. The Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. is open to
anybody.
Mr. Morley : We may ask you to be good enough when you return from your
holiday to come back and tell us what you think about the railway projects in Persia.
That is a branch of the inquiry which we have not touched yet.
[Adjourned.]

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Content

The volume contains the following minutes and proceedings:

  • First Meeting, 2 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Richmond Thackeray Willoughby Ritchie.
  • Second Meeting, 6 March 1908. Evidence of Sir J Mackay.
  • Third Meeting, 11 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Frank Clark Strick and Mr E Lloyd.
  • Fourth Meeting, 17 March 1908. Evidence of Sir Louis William Dane.
  • Fifth Meeting, 19 March 1908. Evidence of Mr P Thomas and Mr G Lloyd.
  • Sixth Meeting, 25 March 1908. Evidence of Mr Henry Finnis Blosse Lynch, and Major J A Douglas.
  • Seventh Meeting, 30 March 1908. Evidence of Sir William Lee-Warner, and Colonel Charles Edward Yate.
  • Digest of Evidence in Order of Witnesses.
  • Digest of Evidence by Subjects.

Appendices:

Maps:

  • Folio 76. Sketch to illustrate positions of Flagstaffs at Elphinstone Inlet and Sheep Island (Musandim Peninsula).
  • Folio 87. Sketches of Approaches to Kuweit Harbour and Shatt Al Arab, compiled from various authorities.
  • Folio 118v. Map of Mohammerah and district prepared in 1850. Shows the proposed Turkish, Persian and mediating Commissioners' lines.
  • Folio 152. Sketch Maps to Shew Railways in Asia Minor.
  • Folio 153. Map showing the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. and adjacent countries.
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1 volume (162 folios)
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A table of contents can be found at folio 4. An index to the minutes of evidence and appendices can be found at folios 154-162.

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Foliation: the foliation sequence commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 164; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. Pagination: the volume also contains an original printed pagination sequence (xi, 297pp, 5 maps).

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