Coll 6/66 'Saudi-Arabia: Saudi-Transjordan Frontier' [67r] (133/427)
The record is made up of 1 file (212 folios). It was created in 3 Apr 1934-6 Mar 1940. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers.
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Peirse speaks of "the movement of the line C-D to the
edge of the Wadi Sihran". All I presume that Peirse
means 'by the phrasing of paragraph 5 of his letter of
the 21st November, 1935, is that, if we accepted Fuad’s
proposal, it would have the effect of re-establishing the
line as intended by the negotiators of the Kadda Agree
ment, as opposed to the principle that the frontier must
be finally settled in accordance with the geographical
co-ordinates. The phrase "edge of the Wadi Sirhan" also
worries us a little. We have understood that the method
of shewing the Wadi Sirhan on the 1910 map was deceptive;
i.e. that in point of fact there is no clearly marked
descent into the Wadi but only a gradual shelving of tne
ground. The edge of the Wadi Sirhan is, therefore, very
difficult to interpret and I presume that all that . eir^e
means when he speaks of re-establishing the line c.t tne
edge of the Wadi Sirhan is that Fuad’s proposal would give
us the line C-D as shewn on the 1918 map. This line, o*
course, does not come up to the green marking at some
points, but we cannot ask for more than the intentions of
the negotiators, as shewn on the 1918 map, give us. Will
you kindly let me know whether the above is a correct inter
pretation of the position as you see it at your end?
incidentally, the acceptance of Fuad’s proposal would
mean that we should be committed definitely to the frontier
running to the Jebel Anaiza in the north-east. Tms
presumably does not matter, as it is generally agreed that
we shall eventually have to accept this m any case, bui,
it means, of course, that we could no longer use the
surrender of the piece of territory between the geograph
ical co-ordinates and the Jebel Anaiza as a bargaining
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This file primarily concerns British policy on the question of the Saudi-Transjordan frontier, specifically the frontier between Transjordan and Nejd, as initially outlined in the Hadda Agreement of 1925.
The correspondence includes discussion of the following:
- The reported disaffection of certain Saudi tribes in the Jauf [Al Jawf] and Teima [Taymā’] areas.
- Difficulties arising from inaccuracies discovered on a 1918 map of the frontier, on which the Hadda agreement was based.
- Saudi Government complaints regarding the alleged violation of the Saudi frontier by British aeroplanes and soldiers at Thaniyya Taraif [Thanīyat Ţurayf, Saudi Arabia].
- A proposal made by Fuad Bey Hamza, Deputy Minister for Saudi Foreign Affairs, during a meeting at the Foreign Office in July 1935, that the frontier should be that which is shown on the 1918 map, regardless of the map's inaccuracies (a proposal that the British authorities in Transjordan encourage the Foreign Office to accept).
- Reports of infringements of the existing frontier by Saudi patrols.
- The British response to Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd] claim to the districts of Akaba [Aqaba] and Maan [Ma‘ān] in Transjordan.
The file also includes the following:
- Compiled notes of correspondence relating to the Treaty of Jedda (1927) and its modification (and more specifically, to the question of the Hejaz-Transjordan frontier) exchanged between Sir Gilbert Clayton and Ibn Saud (1927), and between the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and the Minister for Saudi Foreign Affairs (1936).
- Copies of the minutes of meetings of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East, concerning the Saudi-Transjordan frontier (and, in one instance, also addressing the Island of Tamb in the Persian Gulf Historically used by the British to refer to the sea area between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. Often referred to as The Gulf or the Arabian Gulf. ).
- Copies of the minutes of interdepartmental meetings regarding the Saudi-Transjordan frontier, held at the Colonial Office (7 January 1935) and Foreign Office (28 September 1934) respectively.
- Two sketch maps depicting disputed territory near the frontier.
The file features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan, succeeded by Sir Reader William Bullard); His Majesty's Chargé d'Affaires to Jedda (Albert Spencer Calvert); John Bagot Glubb, Acting Officer Commanding the Arab Legion; the Air Officer Commanding Palestine and Transjordan (Richard Edmund Charles Peirse); the Saudi Minister of Foreign Affairs [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd]; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, the Air Ministry, and the War Office.
The file includes a divider which gives a list of correspondence references contained in the file by year. This is placed at the back of the correspondence (folio 2).
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- 1 file (212 folios)
The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 213; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. An additional foliation sequence is present in parallel between ff 2-209; these numbers are also written in pencil, but are not circled.
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