Coll 6/66 'Saudi-Arabia: Saudi-Transjordan Frontier' [119r] (237/427)
The record is made up of 1 file (212 folios). It was created in 3 Apr 1934-6 Mar 1940. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers.
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frontier question should "be taken un with the Saudi Government
now, subject to the views of the High Commissioner for Trans
jordan. Personally, he was in agreement with Sir Andrew Ryan,
and if in suite of the latter’s telegram the High Commissioner
for Transjordan still took the view in his last telegram, it
would, of course, be necessary to refer to the Secretary oi
MR. RE IDEL said that his original instructions were to
agree that for the oresent matters should be allowed to remain
as they were, and not to press for an immediate re-definition of
the boundaries; these instructions had, however, been given
before Sir Andrew Ryan’s latest telegram had been received.
He agreed with Sir Andrew’s arguments about our nosition over
the Thanniyya Taraif. He considered that we were now in an
uncomfortable nosition, and that we might be much worse off if
we left the initiative to Ibn Saud than if we took advantage
of the present situation to try to reach a friendly settlement
hy agreement which might lead to our obtaining much better terms
than if we were driven into the position of attempting to
defend an illegal position against a strong Saudi attack.
THE CHAIRMAN asked whether there was any way in which we
could deal with the protest about Thanniyya Taraif without
taking up the general question of boundaries. If, in fact,
this were possible, it would suit 'the Colonial Oxiice, out he
could not himself see that it could be done.
WING CO!DANDER PIRIE said he thought this was hardly a
question for the Air Ministry to decide, but should it be
decided to re-open negotiations, the Air Ministry felt strongly
that the two points he had mentioned should be secured. These
were — (i) the inclusion of the car track within jransjordan,
and (ii) the alignment of the frontier between points C and
D along the western edge of the Wadi Sirhan.
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This file primarily concerns British policy on the question of the Saudi-Transjordan frontier, specifically the frontier between Transjordan and Nejd, as initially outlined in the Hadda Agreement of 1925.
The correspondence includes discussion of the following:
- The reported disaffection of certain Saudi tribes in the Jauf [Al Jawf] and Teima [Taymā’] areas.
- Difficulties arising from inaccuracies discovered on a 1918 map of the frontier, on which the Hadda agreement was based.
- Saudi Government complaints regarding the alleged violation of the Saudi frontier by British aeroplanes and soldiers at Thaniyya Taraif [Thanīyat Ţurayf, Saudi Arabia].
- A proposal made by Fuad Bey Hamza, Deputy Minister for Saudi Foreign Affairs, during a meeting at the Foreign Office in July 1935, that the frontier should be that which is shown on the 1918 map, regardless of the map's inaccuracies (a proposal that the British authorities in Transjordan encourage the Foreign Office to accept).
- Reports of infringements of the existing frontier by Saudi patrols.
- The British response to Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd] claim to the districts of Akaba [Aqaba] and Maan [Ma‘ān] in Transjordan.
The file also includes the following:
- Compiled notes of correspondence relating to the Treaty of Jedda (1927) and its modification (and more specifically, to the question of the Hejaz-Transjordan frontier) exchanged between Sir Gilbert Clayton and Ibn Saud (1927), and between the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and the Minister for Saudi Foreign Affairs (1936).
- Copies of the minutes of meetings of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East, concerning the Saudi-Transjordan frontier (and, in one instance, also addressing the Island of Tamb in the Persian Gulf Historically used by the British to refer to the sea area between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. Often referred to as The Gulf or the Arabian Gulf. ).
- Copies of the minutes of interdepartmental meetings regarding the Saudi-Transjordan frontier, held at the Colonial Office (7 January 1935) and Foreign Office (28 September 1934) respectively.
- Two sketch maps depicting disputed territory near the frontier.
The file features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan, succeeded by Sir Reader William Bullard); His Majesty's Chargé d'Affaires to Jedda (Albert Spencer Calvert); John Bagot Glubb, Acting Officer Commanding the Arab Legion; the Air Officer Commanding Palestine and Transjordan (Richard Edmund Charles Peirse); the Saudi Minister of Foreign Affairs [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd]; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, the Air Ministry, and the War Office.
The file includes a divider which gives a list of correspondence references contained in the file by year. This is placed at the back of the correspondence (folio 2).
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- 1 file (212 folios)
The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 213; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. An additional foliation sequence is present in parallel between ff 2-209; these numbers are also written in pencil, but are not circled.
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