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'Report and Proceedings of the Standing Sub-Committee of the Committee of Imperial Defence on the Persian Gulf' [11v] (27/94)
The record is made up of 1 volume (43 folios). It was created in Nov 1911. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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the channel from Basra down, that will be gain No. 2 . If you can postpone the railway
coming into Koweit, that would be gain No. 3. If you can lay down that if at any
future date it did come to Koweit that could only be done by our consent and probably
under our control, that would be another gain. If you could get Turkey to agree that
our existing treaty relations with the Sheikh should remain untouched, in other words,
that he should be, so to speak, an autonomous Sheikh or chief in Turkish territory, that
would be another gain.
SIB EDWARD GREY : Recognising Turkish suzerainty, because of course we
should have to do that ?
LORD CURZON : Yes, but Koweit would be a sort of enclave, would it not ?
SIR EDWARD GREY : Yes.
LORD CURZON : And they would not be allowed, if you recognised their
suzerainty, to pounce down upon the Sheikh or to send troops there ?
SIR EDWARD GREY : That would be a disturbance of the status quo. It seems
quite clear, after all that has passed with the Sheikh, that it would be an intolerable
shock to our prestige if, as the result of any agreement with Turkey, the Sheikh’s
position was not recognised.
LORD CURZON : I quite agree with that.
SIR EDWARD GREY: But if by conceding Turkish suzerainty we can get his
status quo recognised by the Turks, his position is more secure than it was.
LORD CURZON : What about a British officer remaining there ?
SIR EDWARD GREY : I think we should have to have a British officer, a consul,
or something of that kind.
LORD CURZON : Is he there now ?
SIR EDWARD GREY: Yes.
LORD CURZON : Is he a naval officer, or a political officer ?
MR. HIRTZEL : He is a political officer.
LORD CURZON : Do you remember his name ?
MR. HIRTZEL : Shakespeare.
SIR EDWARD GREY: I think we should have to call him a consul instead of a
Resident.
LORD CURZON : But it is very important that you should keep him there.
SIR EDWARD GREY: Yes ; we should keep him there as consul.
LORD CURZON : The question of that Koweit territory raises the whole
question of Bubian, which is a very difficult question as you know. We fought it hard
—I do not know whether Lord Kitchener was there.
VISCOUNT KITCHENER: I think I do remember it.
LORD CURZON : The Turks had established themselves in a position to the
north of Bubian at Um Kasr, and they had an eye upon Khor Abdulla. We had to
concede that, because we had not protested against it, but we did protest against their
posts in the southern parts of Bubian, except one. You would have to include those if
you could in the territories of the Sheikh of Koweit ?
VISCOUNT KITCHENER : I think so, undoubtedly.
MR. PARKER: The difficulty is to define how far inland the Turkish territory
goes.
LORD CURZON : That is very difficult, because it is all open desert of course.
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The report was printed for the Committee of Imperial Defence, November 1911, and approved on 14 December 1911. It concerns the situation in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. regarding the extent to which Turkish claims aligned with British interests, and engagements already made with the Sheikh of Koweit [Kuwait] and other chiefs.
It includes the following:
- Report - The Standing Sub-Committee advise on the terminus of the Baghdad Railway, control of the navigation of the Shat-Al-Arab [Shatt al Arab], and the limits of Turkish sovereignty in the Shat-Al-Arab and on the shores of the Gulf.
- Proceedings - minutes of the First Meeting, 24 May 1911; and minutes of the Second Meeting, 15 June 1911.
The following appendices are also contained in the report:
I. Memorandum on Turkish aggression in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , by the Foreign Office.
II. Memorandum on local action in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , by the General Staff, War Office.
III. Letter on the Shat-Al-Arab and Koweit, from the Naval Commander-in-chief, East Indies, to the Government of India.
IV. Report of the Inter-Departmental Conference on the Baghdad Railway terminus, by the Foreign Office, 1907.
V. Foreign Office correspondence on the frontier of Muhamrah (Mohammerah)[Khorramshahr].
VI. Memorandum on the Turco-Persian boundary question 1833-1906, by the Foreign Office.
VII. Foreign Office correspondence on the frontier of Mohammerah, 1906-1911.
Some treaty extracts and agreements are in French.
Also contains three maps:
f 25: 'MAP OF MOHAMMERAH AND DISTRICT PREPARED IN 1850'
f 43: 'Sketch of APPROACHES TO KUWEIT HARBOUR AND SHATT AL ARAB'
f 44: ' PERSIAN GULF The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. AND ADJACENT COUNTRIES'
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- 1 volume (43 folios)
- Arrangement
The file consists of a single report and three accompanying maps. A contents page at the front of the volume (ff 3-4) references the volume’s original printed pagination.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the inside back cover with 45; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. Pagination: the file also contains an original printed pagination sequence.
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- front, back, spine, edge, head, tail, front-i, 2r:24v, 26r:27r, 29v:30r, 31r:32v, 33v:42v, back-i
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