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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [62r] (123/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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August 88th.
Septe iber 2nd.
September 4 th.
September 6th.
September
September 26th.
September 26th.
(continued)
September 27th.
Government of India informed
Government of Bombay
From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions.
that it was understood that a Persian subject had
purchased vessel and that in view of possibility of war
with Turkey f if any formality in connexion with change
of flag were necessary, matters should be delayed for
a few days in "restricting course of routine
Government of Bo bay informed Government of India
tnM. ii any doubts as to change of ownership of a vessel
lying in Bombay harbour arose foreign consuls of the
vendor and purchaser were as a rule asked to verify the
correctness of the statement: and moreover that in the
^ are Deniz" Register was missing a.id Port
officer would refuse to accept any change until it was
produced.
Shirasee (agent for for icr Turkish owners) telegrapned I
to former owners tin t Port officer liad enquired as to m
Ij.ag oi "Kara beniz' and timt without Kegister pernission
to sail or take cargo could not be obtained.
T, itychides sent Captain instructions to sail at
once 2 or Basra with provisional papers to be obtained
from Persian Consul. (There is no record ho ever
that Captain officially asked for clearance).
bixon & Company informed Port officer that during
bad weatlier (on that date) their motor boat with
important parts oi vessel s machinery had been sunk, and
mat 2 or 5 months would be necessary for replacement,
die machinery consisted of (a) one steam valve chest (one <
ol the boiler connexions that contains one cock and two
valves) and (b) nine pet valves. The vessel could have
gone to sea without tnis machinery as it only meant sue
would nave nad one boiler less in use. The Question of
whether the absence of this machinery invalidated her
tecnnical seaworthiness according to Indian law is
imma .erial in the case of a foreign ship. The machinery ^
was apparently replaced some weeks later.
Port officer wrote to Captain stating he had
received report of change of ownership and flag of
vessel and that no such change could be recognised till
register was produced. ^
Captain of vessel in reply brought s letter from
Persian Consul in Bombay,to Port Officer stating that
unuer instructions from his Government he had given a
certificate of change of ownership of vessel to Persian
nands and flag and change of name to S.S. "Haaadan".
Port onicer wrote to Persian Consul tnat production
of Register was essential before change of ownership
could be recognised (tills reply was repeated on
subsequent occasions).
Clearance/
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
- Pages
- front, front-i, 2r:109v, 114r:117v, 121r:134v, 136r:137v, 141r:166v, 169r:170v, 173r:184v, 186r:192v, 209r:209v, 211r:211v, 213r, 214r:215v, 223r:229v, 230v:233v, 243v:267v, 280r:287v, 291r:302v, 304r:323v, 325r:325v, 327r:327v, 330r:341v, 345r:345v, back
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