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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [‎166r] (331/691)

The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .

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hypotheses seems as probable as the other two, but for the
present no certainty is attainable on this score, and the
Persian attituue remains an unknown factor. It may be,
as you suggest in paragraph 6 of your despatch, that when the
actual wording of the claims article comes to be discussed,
the Persian Government’s views will undergo a violent change.
You will appreciate, however, that the possibility of such a
change is not in itself a compelling reason for abandonging
in advance a draft which commends itself on other grounds.
5. As regards the intrinsic desirability from the point
of view of His Majesty’s Gov ernment of barring the war claims,
the main considerations governing the question (apart from
the evident desirability of barring, if possible, the
Atychides claim, with which 1 will deal more fully below),
appear to be as follows. While in theory a reference of
outstanding claims to the neutral claims commission might
prove unnecessary, in practice it would almost certainly
be impossible to settle them by the alternative method
provided in the provisional draft article and protocol,
namely direct negotations with the Persian Government within
a period of one year from the entry into force of the treaty.
If, however, the war claims of both parties were submitted to
the Claims Commission for which the Treaty article provides,
it would clearly be impossible to avoid much public discussion
concerning the violation of Persian neutrality by belligerent
forces during the war. Any such discussion would inevitably
be highly embarrassing, and would be undesirable on general
political grounds. liorever, it would in all probability
influence the neutral arbiters strongly in favour of the
rejection of all or most at the British claims for the war
period, while admitting the bulk of the Persian counter-claims.
As regards the latter point, it is true that as yet the
Persian Government have presented but few claims against His
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.

The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).

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1 file (343 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.

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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.

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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [‎166r] (331/691), British Library: India Office Records and Private Papers, IOR/L/PS/12/3501, in Qatar Digital Library <https://www.qdl.qa/archive/81055/vdc_100066723404.0x000086> [accessed 29 March 2024]

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