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'Papers respecting the Protection to be granted to Persons of Persian Origin born in India' [101v] (12/12)
The record is made up of 1 file (6 folios). It was created in May 1876. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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Sir H. Elliot,
No. 321, Sep
tember 1, 1873.
To Sir H. Elliot,
No. 218, Sep
tember 9, 1873.
Sir H. Elliot,
No. 49, October 15
1873.
Vice-Consul Green,
No. 33, October 22,
1873.
To Sir H. Elliot,
January 1, 1874,
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bavins: informed him that the Turkish Government intended to treat m Damascus all
Afghans, without exception, as Ottoman subjects; and that this intention mcl
indian British subjects. And although the Governor-General
that it was through a misapprehension he had done this, yet that Halet Pas sl
was far from satisfactory, for he had used the words Afghans and Indians m such a man
ner as if to evade the real question. The explanation that Halet
Pasha
An Ottoman title used after the names of certain provincial governors, high-ranking officials and military commanders.
offeied m his
further letter was, that he had never contested the right that Indian subjects had to
British protection; but that he had received orders to treat the Afghans as Ottoman
SUb j e yf ce _c 0Ilsu l Green, however, informed him that it was his first duty to maintain the
rights of British subjects without regard to their race or creed. m
Previous to this, Sir H. Elliot reported that he had called on the Turkish Govern
ment to direct the Governor-General of Syria to desist from these pretensions ; and that
he would not permit the rights of British Consuls to protect all British subjects to be
called in question. He also reported, that the Turkish Government had informed mm
that orders had been sent to the Governor-General to abstain from interfering with Her
Majesty’s Consulate with respect to Indian Mahomedan subjects of the Queen, or Afghans
enjoying British protection. .
Sir H. Elliot then-suggested that the misunderstanding probably arose in the first
place from the uncertainty attached at Damascus to the meaning of the word Afghan,
and from the habits of the Mahommedan British subjects making no profession of their
nationality.
Sir H. Elliot was informed that the steps he had taken with regard to the protection
of British Indian subjects were approved.
Sir H. Elliot then instructed Vice-Consul Green no longer to discuss the question
as to the right of Her Majesty’s Vice-Consulate at Damascus to protect the Indian
- British subjects, as the dispute was in all probability attributable to the general significance
attached at Damascus to the term Afghan; that if the Governor-General had at first
explained the distinction that was held between Afghans properly so called, and Indian
British subjects, it was likely no question would have arisen; but he considered that
Vice-Consul Green had acted very properly in refusing to admit the pretensions which
the Governor-General had at first put fonvard.
In October following, Vice-Consul Green forwarded a further correspondence he had
had with the Governor-General on this subject; and he stated that the Governor-General
had entirely withdrawn the assumption, hitherto put forward, to consider all Afghans as
Ottoman subjects.
The whole of this correspondence was forwarded to the Government of India, and
that Government desired their feelings of satisfaction at the successful measures that had
been taken by Her Majesty’s Ambassador, and Her Majesty’s Vice-Consul at Damascus,
in the matter, to be made known to them.
(Signed) A. WALMISLEY.
Foreign Office, April 20, 1876.
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The memorandum consists of printed papers on the subject of whether persons of Persian origin born in India are entitled to protection as British subjects. The question arose from the fact that Persia did not recognise British nationality in persons of Persian descent. In particular, it references the case of Agha Mehdee; a person of Persian descent who has enjoyed British subject status for a number of years. His status as a British subject is accepted by the Government of Persia, but they do not consider this to be a precedent to be conferred on others. The attitudes of France and Russia towards their subjects are considered in order to inform the British position on the matter. The papers included are outlined below.
A letter (No. 1, folios 96-100) from William Taylor Thomson, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. to Persia, to Edward Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, dated Tehran 15 February 1876, with the following enclosures:
- 1. Translation of a memorandum from Minister for Foreign Affairs, dated 19 January 1876 respecting the position of Agha Mehdee;
- 2. Memorandum No. 920 of 1868 respecting Nazir Mohammed Mehedee, signed W Whinvail, Acting Chief Secretary to the Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bombay Castle 16 May 1868;
- 3. Memorandum No. 2740 of 1870 respecting Nazir Aga Ahmed bin Aga Ali, signed Herbert Henry Jacomb, Under Secretary to the Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bombay Castle 11 November 1870;
- 4. Letter from Colonel Lewis Pelly, Political Resident A senior ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul General) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Residency. in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , to E [Charles] Gonne, Secretary to the Political Department, Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bushire 27 January 1872;
- 5. Government Resolution No. 1905 regarding the position of persons of Persian parentage born in British territory, dated Bombay Castle, 27 March 1872;
- 6. Opinion of J W [James Sewell] White, Advocate-General, Bombay, regarding the position of persons of Persian parentage born in British territory. It is dated Bombay Castle 5 March 1872;
- 7. Telegram from Colonel Lewis Pelly, Political Resident A senior ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul General) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Residency. in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , to E [Charles] Gonne, Secretary to the Political Department, Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bushire 27 May 1872;
- 8. Telegram from E [Charles] Gonne, Secretary to the Political Department, Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , to Colonel Lewis Pelly, Political Resident A senior ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul General) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Residency. in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , dated Bombay 7 June 1872;
- 9. Telegram from Colonel Lewis Pelly, Political Resident A senior ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul General) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Residency. in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , to E [Charles] Gonne, Secretary to the Political Department, Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bushire 7 June 1872;
- 10. Letter from Colonel Lewis Pelly, Political Resident A senior ranking political representative (equivalent to a Consul General) from the diplomatic corps of the Government of India or one of its subordinate provincial governments, in charge of a Political Residency. in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. , to E [Charles] Gonne, Secretary to the Political Department, Government of Bombay From c. 1668-1858, the East India Company’s administration in the city of Bombay [Mumbai] and western India. From 1858-1947, a subdivision of the British Raj. It was responsible for British relations with the Gulf and Red Sea regions. , dated Bushire 26 June 1872;
- 11. Government Resolution No. 5446 regarding the position of persons of Persian parentage born in British territory, dated Bombay Castle 14 December 1872;
- 12. Opinion of C J Mayhew, Acting Advocate-General, Bombay (No. 34), regarding the position of persons of Persian parentage born in British territory, dated Bombay 2 September 1872;
- 13. Letter from Charles Umpherston Aitchison, Secretary to the Government of India, to Colonel Ross, dated Fort William 5 September 1874;
- 14. Letter from G C Paul, Assistant Advocate-General, Bengal, to Charles Umpherston Aitchison, Secretary to the Government of India, dated Fort William 21 August 1874;
- 15. Telegram from the Persian Minister for Foreign Affairs to the Governor of Bushire, dated 22 Zuhejjeh 1292 (20 January 1876);
- 16. Letter from William Taylor Thomson, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. to Persia, to B Schimanovsky, Russian Chargé d'Affaires, dated Tehran 25 January 1876 (enclosure in French);
- 17. Letter from B Schimanovsky, Russian Chargé d'Affaires, to William Taylor Thomson, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. to Persia, dated 31 January 1876 (enclosure in French);
- 18. Memorandum of a conversation between Mr Larcom and B Schimanovsky, Russian Chargé d'Affaires, respecting the laws regulating Nationality in Russia, dated Tehran 10 February 1876;
- 19. Letter from William Taylor Thomson, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. to Persia, to R de Balloy, French Chargé d'Affaires, dated Tehran 10 February 1876 (enclosure in French);
- 20. Letter from R de Balloy, French Chargé d'Affaires, to William Taylor Thomson, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. to Persia, dated Tehran 11 February 1876 (enclosure in French);
- 21. Extract from "Les Codes Français" (enclosure in French);
- 22. Extract from a law modified 7 February 1851 concerning persons born in France to foreign parents (enclosure in French).
A memorandum (No. 2, folios 100-101) as to the protection to be granted to persons of Persian origin born in India, signed by A Walmisley, dated Foreign Office 20 April 1876. It considers a couple of cases; the case of 'Bagio', a Jew born to Ottoman parents; and 'Schlizzi', a man born in Ottoman territory, but who had resided for a time in England.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at f 96, and terminates at f 101, as it is part of a larger physical volume; these numbers are written in pencil, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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