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Coll 6/21(1) 'Hejaz-Nejd: Relations with H.M.G.: Hejaz Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah.' [145r] (300/914)
The record is made up of 1 volume (453 folios). It was created in 7 Sep 1927-10 Jan 1935. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT
EASTERN (Arabia).
September 24, 1934.
CONFIDENTIAL.
Section 1.
[E 5997/2429/25] No. 1 .
Summary of Discussion at Fifth Meeting with Fuad Bey Hamza, held at the
Foreign Office on September 24, 1934.
IT had originally been arranged to continue at this meeting the discussion
begun at the second meeting (E 5908) regarding the eastern and south-eastern
frontiers of Saudi Arabia. The instructions which Euad Bey had been expecting
in regard to this question had not, however, arrived, and it was not possible to
make any further progress with it. It was arranged that, if these instructions
did not arrive before Fuad Bey’s departure from England, Sheikh Hafiz would,
on their receipt, acquaint the Foreign Office with their tenor.
2. Mr. Rendel asked that the E'oreign Office might be given as full an
account as possible of King Ibn Sand’s views on the frontier problem well in
advance of the opening of the proposed negotiations at Jedda. This would
save a good deal of delay and reference home when the negotiations began. He
added that he did not wish to begin by seeming over-optimistic with regard to
the negotiations over this particular question. There were certain to be many
points in regard to which the two sides would not see eye to eye. For instance,
Euad Bey had at the second meeting mentioned the Murra and Manasir as
tribes which King Ibn Saud was likely to claim as his subjects. So far as the
Murra were concerned, there was perhaps some reason to consider that they were
closely connected with Saudi Arabia. The Manasir, on the other hand, seemed
to be of more doubtful allegiance, and were stated to be largely dependent on
the Sheikh of Abu Dhabi. Again, Fuad Bey had mentioned a claim as far south
as the Qara Mountains. His Majesty’s Government would certainly not be able
to agree to anything so extensive. He mentioned these points to show that all
would not necessarily be plain sailing. He was confident, however, that a friendly
and reasonable settlement could be reached, and Sir A. Ryan would certainly
make every effort to reach one, though he would necessarily be bound on many
points by his instructions from home. Fuad Bey stated that Sheikh Hafiz Wahba
would also be available to help in the negotiations m Jedda, since he was
proceeding on leave to Saudi Arabia at the end of the year.
3. In the discussion which followed, an opportunity was taken to remind
Fuad Bey that the chief desideratum on the side of His Majesty s Gmeinment
in any general settlement would be a satisfactory se emei c^ o
commercial relations between Saudi Arabia and Kowei ; JW t the nrablem
at one point that it might be better to balance this ques ion . » ' i , r
of the oil concession in the Koweit Neutral Zone, rather ^““““kue
the south-eastern frontier. He was, however, given no ^
this line of thought. Sir Andrew Evan observed that a general settlement shot Id
be of the greatest advantage to King Ibn Sau m pi s
consolidating his^regmm in Arabia^ ^ but lt cl that
Fuad Bey was not in a position to add anything XkkvTbn Sakdls kould
previously said regarding the possibility of sue a fh P j r nresent right of
justify His Majesty’s Government m renouncing then piesent ngnt
manumission. meeting Fuad Bey mentioned that his Government
o. At the close ot the meeting rudu xj J nAo-ntiations to raise once
might perhaps feel inclined, during the oi 1 Arabia into the League of
more the question of the posmble entry of Saudi ™
Nations. The proposed general settlemen ^ obstac i e to the admission of
had in the past been considered a p , > g } ac k 0 f fixed frontiers.
Saudi Arabia to the League, name y, • t 0 f s i av ery in Saudi Arabia
Mr. Rendel reminded Fuad Bey that ^obstlcle. Fuad Bey replied
had also in the past been mentioned a P negotiations, and if, as
that this question also was to be discussed during tne &
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This volume concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of the Hejaz and Nejd (later Saudi Arabia).
The volume largely consists of copies of Foreign Office and Colonial Office correspondence. The correspondence near the beginning of the volume discusses Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd's] wish to enter into full diplomatic relations with the British Government. The Hejazi Government's proposal in 1929 to establish a legation in London is accompanied by a request for the British Government to raise the status of its Agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. and Consulate in Jedda to the same status.
The subsequent correspondence in the volume discusses the following:
- The British Government's consideration (and acceptance) of Ibn Saud's proposal, and the appointment of Sir Andrew Ryan as His Majesty's Minister at the British Legation in Jedda in May 1930.
- Hafiz Wahba's appointment as Hejazi Minister in London in 1930.
- Complaints made by the Hejazi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, regarding Sir Andrew Ryan's attitude and conduct since his arrival in Jedda.
- Details of an Hejazi-Nejdi diplomatic mission to Europe (including visits to Italy, France, Britain, and the Netherlands), undertaken in May 1932 and headed by Amir Feisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Hejazi Minister for Foreign Affairs (this part of the volume includes detailed accounts of the mission's meetings with Foreign Office officials during its visit to London).
- Sir Andrew Ryan's account of his meeting with Ibn Saud at Taif in July 1934, and their discussion of the 'blue line' (the frontier which marked the Ottoman Government's renunciation of its claims to Bahrain and Qatar, in the Anglo-Ottoman convention of 1913) and the Kuwait blockade.
- Details of several meetings held at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia), Sir Andrew Ryan and George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), during September 1934, regarding the 'blue line', the Kuwait blockade, and the future of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927).
- Requests from the Italian Government for information regarding Fuad Bey Hamza's visit to London.
The volume features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Agent and Consul at Jedda, a position that was raised to His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda in late 1929 (Hugh Stonehewer Bird, William Linskill Bond, Cecil Gervase Hope Gill, and Albert Spencer Calvert successively); His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan); His Majesty's Ambassador in Rome (Ronald William Graham); Ibn Saud; Amir Faisal; officials of the Hejazi/Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, and the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. .
In addition to correspondence, the volume contains a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East. The meeting, which took place in London on 8 November 1934, was primarily concerned with the settlement of the 'blue line' issue, the Saudi- Transjordan Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan frontier, and the Kuwait blockade.
The volume includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the volume by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 volume (453 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at the first folio with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 449; these numbers are written in pencil and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. The front and back covers, along with the two leading and two ending flyleaves, have not been foliated.
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