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Coll 6/21(1) 'Hejaz-Nejd: Relations with H.M.G.: Hejaz Legation in London and British Minister in Jeddah.' [167r] (344/914)
The record is made up of 1 volume (453 folios). It was created in 7 Sep 1927-10 Jan 1935. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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THIS DOCUMENT IS THE PROPERTY OF HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT
EASTERN (Arabia).
JONFIDENTIAL.
May 30, 1934.
Section 2.
[E 3551/3551/25] [ J
Sir A. Ryan to Sir John Simon.—{Received May 30.)
(No. 135.)
gir ? Jedda, May 8, 1934.
WITH reference to your printed despatch No. 290 of the 26th October, I
have the honour to state that on the 30th April the Acting Saudi Minister for
Foreign Affairs broached with me the question of the future of the Treaty of
Jedda. Fuad Bey said that his Government had been considering the matter in
view of the fact that the time when notice of denunciation might be given had
passed. I reminded him that the effect of article 8 of the treaty was that it
could be denounced at six months’ notice on any date after the 17th March, 1934,
not to prolong it for any definite period if it were not denounced. I intimated
early in the conversation that, from a British point of view, the treaty had many
defects, but that it had served its purpose and that His Majesty’s Government
were unlikely to wish to denounce it, although they would have several points to
raise if a revision were necessitated by a Saudi denunciation.
2. Fuad Bey said that the Saudi Government did not wish to denounce the
treaty but had considered three points connected with it, on which they might
expect His Majesty’s Government to meet them. The first was the final settle
ment of the Aqaba-Maan question. They did not, he said, think the present an
appropriate time to reopen this. The second was the question oi slaveiy. As
I shall be reporting separately on this, I need only say here that Fuad Bey ou
this occasion seemed less disposed to press for the elimination of aiticle 7 oi the
treaty, which could obviously not be removed without changing the structure ot
the treaty, than for the termination of the manumission system.
3. When I reminded Fuad Bey that he had spoken of a third point, he
hedged and left me in uncertainty as to whether he had been treating article 7
and manumission as two distinct points. On the 2nd May however when we
were discussing my note of the 28th April, regarding the effect of the Anglo-
Turkish Conventions of 1913 and 1914, he admitted with some coyness that the
third point, which he had refrained from mentioning on the 30th April, related
to article 6 of the treaty. He was most anxious to assure me that Ibn baud Had
no desire to interfere with His Majesty’s Government s special position m regard
to the rulers mentioned in that article. Fuad Bey was, to use again the word
I applied to this portion of the conversation m my telegraphic record alluave^
He gave me to understand that it rather suited the King an o .
His Majesty’s Government as a screen between him and the rulers “ TM . ’
but would like the position to be defined in some other way.
the importance in the eyes of His Majesty’s Government of thmr sphere m
Eastern Arabia, I did not pursue this subject, whic o viou ,7 , .
with at present as a matter arising out of the blue ine n0 - ( t § altering
case, too! it would be impossible to give Ibn Saud what he wants without altering
the structure of the Treaty of Jedda. . onvirm^ tn stand
4 What it all comes to is that Ibn Saud is just now very anxious to stand
well with His Majesty’s Government for reasons connected g
situation in the south-west of Arabia than with any ^ /-i . have it up
not to revert at present to the Aqaba-Maan ques ion, u ^ F ua d Bey a
his sleeve. He would go a long way, or might be led a long way y ^ y r ’ ds
modernist, in restricting slavery, if he could get n o Government are
article 6 of the treaty, he knows very well that His ^
unlikely to abandon their position m regard o ow , prestige. He
sheikhs, but he must consider his standing wi ia P . ] an g. uacre more
would therefore like to see the British P" “j Ibn
compatible with the phrase of his lates g , , HGcoverv that His
Saud.” This feeling‘has naturally been stimu ated^^^^
Majesty’s Government regard h™ ? s ° j the proportion by roping in
but so long as there is any chance of his pgr
\' the Yemen he will not show his hand too open y. ^ have &c.
ANDREW RYAN.
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This volume concerns relations between the British Government and the Government of the Hejaz and Nejd (later Saudi Arabia).
The volume largely consists of copies of Foreign Office and Colonial Office correspondence. The correspondence near the beginning of the volume discusses Ibn Saud's [‘Abd al-‘Azīz bin ‘Abd al-Raḥmān bin Fayṣal Āl Sa‘ūd's] wish to enter into full diplomatic relations with the British Government. The Hejazi Government's proposal in 1929 to establish a legation in London is accompanied by a request for the British Government to raise the status of its Agency An office of the East India Company and, later, of the British Raj, headed by an agent. and Consulate in Jedda to the same status.
The subsequent correspondence in the volume discusses the following:
- The British Government's consideration (and acceptance) of Ibn Saud's proposal, and the appointment of Sir Andrew Ryan as His Majesty's Minister at the British Legation in Jedda in May 1930.
- Hafiz Wahba's appointment as Hejazi Minister in London in 1930.
- Complaints made by the Hejazi Ministry of Foreign Affairs, regarding Sir Andrew Ryan's attitude and conduct since his arrival in Jedda.
- Details of an Hejazi-Nejdi diplomatic mission to Europe (including visits to Italy, France, Britain, and the Netherlands), undertaken in May 1932 and headed by Amir Feisal [Fayṣal bin ‘Abd al-‘Azīz Āl Sa‘ūd], Hejazi Minister for Foreign Affairs (this part of the volume includes detailed accounts of the mission's meetings with Foreign Office officials during its visit to London).
- Sir Andrew Ryan's account of his meeting with Ibn Saud at Taif in July 1934, and their discussion of the 'blue line' (the frontier which marked the Ottoman Government's renunciation of its claims to Bahrain and Qatar, in the Anglo-Ottoman convention of 1913) and the Kuwait blockade.
- Details of several meetings held at the Foreign Office between Fuad Bey Hamza (Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs for Saudi Arabia), Sir Andrew Ryan and George William Rendel (Head of the Foreign Office's Eastern Department), during September 1934, regarding the 'blue line', the Kuwait blockade, and the future of the Treaty of Jedda (the treaty signed between Britain and Ibn Saud in 1927).
- Requests from the Italian Government for information regarding Fuad Bey Hamza's visit to London.
The volume features the following principal correspondents: His Majesty's Agent and Consul at Jedda, a position that was raised to His Majesty's Chargé d’Affaires to Jedda in late 1929 (Hugh Stonehewer Bird, William Linskill Bond, Cecil Gervase Hope Gill, and Albert Spencer Calvert successively); His Majesty's Minister at Jedda (Sir Andrew Ryan); His Majesty's Ambassador in Rome (Ronald William Graham); Ibn Saud; Amir Faisal; officials of the Hejazi/Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs; officials of the Foreign Office, the Colonial Office, and the India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. .
In addition to correspondence, the volume contains a copy of the minutes of a meeting of the Committee of Imperial Defence's Standing Official Sub-Committee for Questions Concerning the Middle East. The meeting, which took place in London on 8 November 1934, was primarily concerned with the settlement of the 'blue line' issue, the Saudi- Transjordan Used in three contexts: the geographical region to the east of the River Jordan (literally ‘across the River Jordan’); a British protectorate (1921-46); an independent political entity (1946-49) now known as Jordan frontier, and the Kuwait blockade.
The volume includes two dividers which give a list of correspondence references contained in the volume by year. These are placed at the back of the correspondence.
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- 1 volume (453 folios)
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence for this description commences at the first folio with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 449; these numbers are written in pencil and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio. The front and back covers, along with the two leading and two ending flyleaves, have not been foliated.
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- front, back, spine, edge, head, tail, front-i, i-r:iv-v, 3r:78v, 80r:96v, 100r:151v, 153r:218v, 220r:227v, 229r:238v, 240r:240v, 242r:242v, 244r:247v, 249r:255v, 258r:286v, 288r:293v, 298r:316v, 320r:362v, 364r:366v, 370r:371v, 373r:406v, 409r:422v, 424r:426v, 428r:448v, v-r:vi-v, back-i
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