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Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’ [220r] (439/691)
The record is made up of 1 file (343 folios). It was created in 29 Oct 1927-10 Feb 1938. It was written in English and French. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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MOO RAD BEY cross-examined by INVERARITY—
After my arrival in Bombay I saw in the Turkish Consul’s Office
Turkish newspapers. I do remember seeing in them advertisements for the
sale of the Kara Deniz. I saw that in a paper of the 13th or 14th
September. I read it after one month. I told Mr. Mirza I had seen the 5
advertisement in a paper of the 13th August.
The Seir Sefani Co. belongs to the Turkish Government. There are no
shareholders in it. It has a fleet of 70 to 80 ships. They carry general goods
and passengers. They trade everywhere. They go into the Red Sea. I came
to India 20 years ago in one of thfe Company’s ships. I paid Shirazi’s bill and 10
the bill for repairs out of the monies I received from Socrates Atychides.
To STRANGMAN—
I sent this letter dated the 23rd November to the Brigadier-General.
To COURT—
I applied for a Port Clearance and it was refused. 15
(It is very difficult to get this witness to understand the question put
to him.)
STRANGMAN says the Captain asked for a Pilot, but not for a Port
Clearance.
25th February 1915.
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Part heard.
INVERARITY—
That is all the evidence I have at present. If sufficient no reason to apply
for a commission,' but if not I shall apply for a commission as regards
negotiations with Willis. Persian Law and status of documents not with the 25
Vienna Bank.
STRANGMAN—
The question must be decided now. Claimant must decide whether to
close his case or to apply for a commission.
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INVERARITY—
I ask the Court to hear the arguments on the evidence as it stands, and if
it thinks it can be decided without that evidence, let it be so.
P. C. I think the application can be acceded to. The principle on
which a Prize Court'proceeds is to do wdiat is fair between the parties.
INVERARITY—
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I should like to ask the Captain about the date of the paper in which he
saw the advertisement of the sale of the Kara Deniz.
MOORAD BEY to COURT—
The date of the paper which I read was the 13th September. I read it in
October.
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After a time the interpreter says the witness said that date was the
30th July (Turkish) which would be 13th August.
P. C. If it is correct that private negotiations were going on for months,
it does not much matter.
ADVOCATE GENERAL-
45
On the 15th August, war contemplated between Turkey and England.
P. C. It may have been only by one or more ministers, not by the
Government as a whole.,
ia 27—35
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Correspondence, reports and other papers relating to the case of the SS Kara Deniz , a Turkish-owned steamship that was claimed as prize by the British Government at the moment of the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the First World War, while the vessel was moored at Bombay [Mumbai]. The papers focus on a financial claim made against the British Government by the vessel’s Greek owners, Socrates Atychides and Theodore Vahratoglou, based on the argument that the vessel had been sold to Persian owners before it was claimed as prize.
The file includes: correspondence beginning in 1927 and exchanged between the Foreign Office, India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. and Government of India, responding to the Government of Persia’s desire to conclude the claim being pursued by Atychides against the British Government; discussion of whether the Kara Deniz was detained prior to or after the Ottoman Empire’s entry into the War; accounts detailing the seizure of the Kara Deniz , including a 1928 note entitled ‘A brief account of the circumstances attending the alleged detention at Bombay of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” prior to her capture as a prize vessel in 1914’ (ff 323-330), and another note entitled ‘Diary of certain events relating to the detention of the S. S. “Kara Deniz” at Bombay in 1914” (ff 151-152); copies of correspondence (some in French) from Atychides; a printed copy of the court proceedings at the High Court of Judicature at Bombay, Admiralty and Vice-Admiralty Jurisdiction, entitled ‘Case No. 3 of 1914. In Prize. Steamship “Kara Deniz.”’ (ff 189-246); discussion of the claim in relation to other outstanding claims and disputes to be settled between the British and Persian Governments; a report prepared by HM Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary A diplomatic representative who ranks below an ambassador. The term can be shortened to 'envoy'. at Tehran, Reginald Hervey Hoare, dated 1935, entitled ‘British claims against Persia’ (ff 84-109).
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The papers are arranged in approximate chronological order from the rear to the front of the file.
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Foliation: the foliation sequence (used for referencing) commences at the inside front cover with 1, and terminates at the last folio with 345; these numbers are written in pencil, are circled, and are located in the top right corner of the recto The front of a sheet of paper or leaf, often abbreviated to 'r'. side of each folio.
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- Coll 28/95 ‘Persia. Relations with H.M.G. Private claims against H.M.G.: case of the S.S. “Kara Deniz”.’
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- 216r:222v, 234r:236v
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- Strangman, Thomas Joseph
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