‘Persia – especially Seistan’ [387v] (773/949)
The record is made up of 1 file (475 folios). It was created in 7 Nov 1901-23 Aug 1905. It was written in English. The original is part of the British Library: India Office The department of the British Government to which the Government of India reported between 1858 and 1947. The successor to the Court of Directors. Records and Private Papers Documents collected in a private capacity. .
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advances made should he adjusted when the Mission returns to Tndia and actual bills are
submitted, and unless the Chambers agr e to accept a lump sum down for each delegate and
run the risk of the total being exceeded.
9-9-04. S. M. Fraser.
The slow steamer from Karachi, which, I think, is the one that goes to Bunder Abbas,
leaves on Saturday, and so the first steamer «n October by which the t-ommission could leave
sails on 1st October. It ought not to have taken the office weeks to find this out, as it is
in every newspaper.
The telegram to Major Sykes may issue and the other action proposed can be taken.
9 - 8 . 04 . L. W. Dane.
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2. Major Sykes states that a very rough estimate of the Commission t ur i* Us. 13,2S0,
We must ask Finance Department (on a spare 61e) or Rs. 3,320 per meuibfr In this connection
for a grant to meet the expense of the Mission. a copy of the papers printed up to date has been
16-9-04. L. Russkix. sent to the finance Department to complete their
t 17-9-04. ^ S. M. Fbasbb. file. y ^
^ 1 ' ' L ' Please see the Foreign Department’s letter Nos. 25K3-4-F. a.,* dated 28th October 1903,
Jt f. <* I . External A, August 1904, Nos. f.8-107. and the notes at page 4 of the proceedings margi-
1/ 7' iy3 -j- See marked portion of Mr. Fraser’s note at page nall r noted. The intention clearly was that W6
6 of these notes. should not undertake thet audit of the travelling
expenses of the commercial representa'ives, but that they should receive a lump sum^ to be
agreed upon as representing actual travelling expanses hen, therefore, the loreign
Department receive a reply to their telegram of 10th September to Major Sykes, the lump
sum to be advanced should be settled in communication with the Chamber of Commerce, it
being undeistood that the sum is intended to cover all travelling charges. W e may agree to
the Foreign Department sanctioning advances on the ba^is of Major Sykes’ recommendations.
They should inform us, when conveying sanction, of the amount of the advances, and the
persons to whom, and treasuries from which, the payments are to be made, in order that we
may issue the necessary instructions to the Treasury Officers.
2. There is no budget provision for the expenditure on account of this Mission. The
Foreign Department may be asked to indicate hnw it is proposed to ineef it, when they are in
y C8i possession of comp'ete estimates of c. st —vide
16-9-04 J. Campbell. their telegram to Major Sykes, dated 2nd Sep
tember 1904.
G. S.,—14-9-01.
J. D.,—14-9-04.
f They have just come in.
(This case w’as held back by me, until a copy of
the notes at slip L could be obtained.) +
We may agree to the grant of any advances which the Foreign Department may consider
necessary. If they inform this Department of the amount, the Treasuries at which the
advances are to be made, and the persons to whom they are payable, telegraphic instructions
to the Treasury Officers concerned will be issued.
2 . The question of audit is connected with the question discussed in the recent notes in
this Department. We shall pay actual travelling expenses, provide transport, and provide
also tents, camp furniture, etc. It will be better to let each representative send in this bill,
I think; it is too late now to attempt to settle a definite sum for each delegate, and I question
very much whether that would be possible, in any case. The Chambers would doubtless
approach the question from the same point of view as Mr. Newcomen. He pointed out that
he knew nothing of the expenses incurred in travelling in Persia; and added that there was no
source of information readily accessible to him. That is true enough; and it is difficult to
see how the Chambers could determine a suitable sum to ask for in respect of each delegate.
3. The audit need not be a technical one; it will be sufficient if the bills are examined in
this and in the Foreign Department. In effect, we are putting the representatives of the
Chamber on their honour; and I person;^ll} , think we are quite safe in doing so. It is the
procedure which a commercial man would adopt himself in such a case; and it seems to me the
only practical method.
16-9-04.
16-9-04.
Foreign Department.
J. Campbell.
W. S. Meyer.
^y^-o IgC M THE Upper India Chvmber of Commerce, Cawnpore, dated the 19th (received 21st)
September 1904.
. Hegnrdiug the Commercial Mission to Persia.
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This part contains papers mostly relating to British interests in Persia [Iran] and the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. .
It includes a copy of the Board of Trade Commercial Intelligence Committee ‘Report received from Mr. H. W. Maclean, the Special Commissioner appointed by the Commercial Intelligence Committee of the Board of Trade, on the conditions and prospects of British trade in Persia.’
A handwritten note at the front of the file, on folio 5, states ‘Spare copy of notes & correspondence of the “Helmand Control” file (with maps)’. Folio 110 consists of handwritten notes, including one dated 27 April 1904, which states ‘The secret Helmand papers have been printed up, and a set, with necessary maps, is submitted for H.E. the Viceroy to take to England.’ Much of the file concerns the question of controlling the water of the Helmand river and irrigating its whole delta, and the work of the Seistan Arbitration Commission to arbitrate between Persia and Afghanistan on the question of rights to the water of the Helmand in Seistan.
The file also includes reports by W A Johns on reconnaissances of potential railway routes made while he was attached to the Seistan Arbitration Commission, and other papers relating to railways and roads in Persia.
In addition, the file includes copies of the following Government of India Foreign Department Proceedings, which reproduce received Foreign Department correspondence on the following subjects: ‘Selection of a British naval base in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. .’, November 1901, Nos. 74-83; ‘Visit of His Excellency the Viceroy to the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. during November-December 1903.’, February 1904, Nos. 33-127; ‘Establishment of telegraphic communication with Henjam. Question of the selection of a naval base in the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. . Aggressive action of the Persians at Tamb and Abu Musa; their claim to the Islands.’, June 1904, Nos. 300-388; ‘Reports of the Commercial Mission to Persia.’, June 1905, Nos. 45-111; ‘Question of retaining flagstaffs erected in the neighbourhood of the Musandim Promontory’, August 1905, Nos. 288-307.’
The file also includes: brief handwritten notes written by Curzon on headed paper belonging to the Viceregal Lodge, Simla, relating to Seistan and to Lord Kitchener’s planned reforms for the reorganisation and redistribution of the Indian Army; and a printed copy of the report ‘A Note by Major H.L. [Herbert Lionel] Showers, C.I.E., on the present state of affairs in Kelat and a review of the system of Administration now being pursued.’
The file includes four maps: ‘Map of the Tail waters of Helmand River’ (13 July 1903), f 122; ‘Plan Shewing Proposed Routes for a Railway from Nushki to Afghan Frontier near Robat’ (10 April 1903), f 139; ‘Extract from Admiralty Chart No. 753. (Entrance to the Persian Gulf The historical term used to describe the body of water between the Arabian Peninsula and Iran. ).’ (October 1901), f 219; and ‘Sketch of route Ram Hormuz to Fellahieh.’ (April 1904), f 230.
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The papers are arranged in no apparent order, apart from the Government of India Foreign Department Proceedings, folios 231 to 474, which are arranged in chronological order.
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